Delta Kits

[Scott]

I've noticed that some on the forum have mentioned having problems with "Delta Kits." So, in all fairness, I wanted to mention my experience with them.

I've personally never had one single problem with their products or personnel. All of my orders have arrived promptly, without delay.

So, as some of you mentioned on this forum....the forum is open to all opinions and this is my personal opinion. As with all companies, Delta nor any other company will satisfy 100% of the people all of the time.

People looking to get into this business would be well served to do their homework, do a little research, and then make a decision based on their findings.

Scott

[repare-brise]

Well said Scott. I have used there products and services in the past( I currently use Glass Mechanix) and have never had a problem with either products or service. I chose another company for technical reasons. All of the premier companies have rightfully earned thier spot at the top rungs of the ladder.

Merci,

[gt_repair]

Scott

Personaly I do not remember posts saying anything bad about the Delta kits, They may be good kits, I would not know.
I do know one of the problems we and I have mention is that Delta deletes things off the site if they do not like what is posted.

That is what we talked about to my knowlege...

[Scott]

Hi Don,

I'm not disputing what anyone else said and the reference I made to "Delta Kit's" was overall, not just their kits. Like I said, no company will ever make everyone happy.

As far as deleteing certain posts, I feel that should be an option for the company hosting the forum no matter what kind of forum it is.

The whole point of my post was just to let others know about my own personal experience which has been a positive one.

Anyway, hope all of you are having a "profitable" week.

Scott

[gt_repair]

Ok Scott
Sorry if I read it wrong

read ya later

[Chris'sWindshieldRepair]

Scott, If a person was to be private messageing another person on Delta's Forum about something the other party, that was getting the PM did not have a problem with do you think its fair and right for the Delta administraters to be reading and deleting those posts?. To me if its a private message it should remain private and not monitered until someone thats receiveing the message makes a complaint of abuse. But Delta doesn't see it that way, and persit in monitering the pm's because there afraid that something might be said that affects there sales in general. To me that makes a person thats a member feel like they have to walk on egg shells all the time and not be able to have free speech even when its private and NOT viewed by everyone else in the forum. So, the harsh reality is that even though Delta has great repair equipment and service there repair forum can leave a lot to be desired when theres that kind of control mechanisim at work. Im glad you have had good experience with Delta and hope if you are in there forum chatting to another user that you remember to be carefull what you say! Chris

[gt_repair]

Verry well said Chris

I will second that comment on delta's PM's

[Chris'sWindshieldRepair]

Jeff, I read what you said about the post that I made that was deleted. Maybe Im wrong and thought it was a PM I was sending to an Individual. I might have thought I hit the PM button and hit the post reply button instead and If I did Im sorry for having done so. I agree that a referal to Ebay should not be posted in the forum for everyone to see on your site but I disagree if It had been posted in a PM. I also do agree with you on your concern about the post refering to the individual that broke your bridge down and is illegally selling your product. And I would agree no one should indorse such a person in both posts or PM's. I do believe that all Pm's should remain private until someone complains of abuse from a user and should not be spied upon from even the owner or moderator of the forum. Maybe the private messageing on your forum could be called SPM ( SEMI PRIVATE MESSAGE ). Jeff, I still like your site and enjoy using it for as long as you allow me too but I do think like a lot of people that It should be more open for discussion without the risks of the post being deleted. Again Im sorry if I made any incorrect statements and hope this reply clears up some of what I said. Thanks Chris

[Scott]

I personally do not see anything wrong with the administrators of a forum having access to PM's. As Jeff said, he only reads a PM if a problem arises.

A company that hosts a forum has an obligation to it's members to make sure that no one is harassed and that no one breaks the rules. Forum's are completely voluntary to join, so if someone joins a particular forum, they should abide by the rules of that forum or not join.

I cannot imagine that this forum we're on here "has no rules" and "no access" to PM's.

The main objection of a forum is for people to interact, help each other, and share ideas. This is a fairly new forum and it looks like the posts are starting to increase. Many people "new" to windshield repair go to forums to learn, not to see anyone or any particular company bashed, so hopefully that won't happen here.

Scott

[gt_repair]

Welcome Jeff

It is about time you came over to join in. It is not a bad idea to come on this site as you say.
From what I have been reading from my past posts on delta, I can see the number one proplem I was having with you and your site also you gotting slammed every time by me was that is no place to sell what we have to maybe buy what you have as another system. Well I did sell the HOG II I was trying to sell on your site and I did buy two more backups. (lost sale)
.... and also reading PM's so I would not be posting for all eyes to see. There has been a lot of little things that just got me a little more P'ed as time went on.

It was a good thing you to blocked me from your site (access denied)

No big deal now, it just got me off this keyboard and off to better things for a while.
Again, I do say what is on my mind and I get in trouble quite often. I have to bite my tongue when I get on a subject I feel strong about...


:idea: :idea: If you feel like posting on your site telling anyone to join in, feel free. We all do the same thing. Repair windshields.


That said, Lets get on with what we do best.....

Talk freely, and repair windshields......................Not sure in what order.

[eraser]

There is a big difference in filling damage and making a strong repair. If anyone would take the time to understand simple physics, injecting directly into damage without evaqcuating it first mixes all moisture into the resin, causes black spots to form in the repair and forces a resin air echange that take a good amount of time to fill.

Also the person who monitors Delta Kits is Jeff and he eliminates any references to other products which are better and only shows negative information concerning competitors products. Teaching people to do repairs is one thing, teaching people how to do the repairs properly is another. Simply filling damage isn't good enough.

Moisture is attracted to glass. Anytime the dew point and temperature get within five degrees of each other, moisture will form on the glass. It was always there, but condenses when the temperature and dewpoint meet. So any system that simply places resin directly onto the damage first, is the wrong way to do a repair if strength is a consideration.

[Anonymous]

I will probably regret opening this can of worms but at least it can be discussed here on this forum without being edited or <snipped>.

First of all Delta DOES NOT delete all posts that refer to other equipment. However, it was posted by Jeff that all references to the Cinch were no longer allowed because Glasspro Systems had threatened legal action against Delta.

Now would be the time to tell your side of the story.

In the absence of that perspective, it leaves to rest of us to wonder why.

I have become familiar with your product and its "dry vacuum" method and almost bought one but at the same time became aware that Glass Technology was coming out with the "Spectrum" which extracts the air before introducing the resin, And at a considerably lower cost.

I am here to testify that the "Spectrum" is fantastic! And fast too! It has superior vacuum, is very easy to set up and I only wonder why they didn't think of this sooner.
Pulling a dry vacuum first, and not having to evacuate air through the resin, in my opinion, renders the other types obsolete.

Back to Delta, I would discuss this GT product on their forum in a general way but I am so sold on its performance and that it is far superior to all injectors that pull vacuum through resin that I feel uncomfortable "promoting" it on their forum. Just professional courtesy.

[gt_repair]

Blind Squirrel

I had Gary send a picture of the spectrum and is it as long as it looks? Can you even close the tech case with it injector or does it dismantal? Can my old bridges work with the spectrum or do I have to buy new bridges?

Sorry for picking your brain but GT is closed now and I may be thinking about it.

I been using the 20 /20 hotshots after puting my VP5000's on the shelf. I have the prizm also for the VP5000 but that is on the shelf also.

$$$ They will have a for sale sign soon, or even now if anyone is intrested. $$$

[Dave M]

gt_repair,

What did you not like about the prism? I am using one and am happy with the results.

[Anonymous]

GT, the Spectrum has a high profile, altogether about 4 inches taller than the 20/20.
You would have to have a deep tool box to keep it together.
The longer barrel and larger diameter gives it a more powerful vacuum. I assemble/disassemble mine each time I use it but it goes together and comes apart very quickly.
Because of the location of the resin chamber, you have to thread the bridge from the bottom before you mount it.

Like Dave, I was wondering, if you already have a prism, why you are not using it.

I will be in Durango at the end of May on vacation and plan to stop by and harass the folks at GT. I want to see the prism in action. I don't know when I will be able to afford one but you can email me at garybell49@hotmail.com and let me know how much you want for yours if you plan to sell it.

[gt_repair]

Blind Squirrel & Dave M

It is not the Prizm I did not like, it is my shoulder that did not like the VP5000 box. I have a pinched nerve in my lower C's in my neck and tendenitise in my shoulder. (spelling on that one sucked)

I had to go to a lighter system, so I went down to the hotshot 20/20 system. I have 4 20/20's now. I carry two with me at this time. It is not that busy on the car lots anymore to were I need more systems running. But I will hold my breath for that day again.

Easter weedend someone had a 20/20 system for sale on ebay and to find out they had two complete bridges and injectors along with all the regular things that come in a kit with the sale. Even 2 LV, 2 MV and that big mirror. I bought it and received it last week, both had harden resin sitting in the cylinder and need to be cleaned and new seals. That will be my extra pair for extra cars. or a kit for my wife to get back into it for extra money for feeding the horses.

[wsrgal]

The "Cinch " produces twice the vacuum that the spectrm does. The spectrum produes only a 17 inches vacuum where as the "Cinch" produces 28 inches or more of vacuum and evacuates damge that closed systems cannot. The "Cinch" also can do vertical repairs.
The "Cinch" can operate at any angle. It is my understanding that Gt marketed the "Cinch" 2 1/2 yers ago and Glass Pro Systems stopped the distributorship. GT saw the advantages of the "Cinch" and came up with a simiular operating device that is only half as good. Personally I think it shameful that the larger companies have taken advantage of the smaller companies new technology.

[Allen]

Hey , It looks like Delta has created another web-site that they sell their stuff at a cheapier price but under a different name. For any one interested it's www.windshieldrepairsupply.com/
It looks like the exact same bridge and injector, I can't tell the difference. I don't use their stuff anyways.

[Shepardh1]

I happen to like Poly Lite bridges... and have mentioned this in my postings on Delta... they have been removed. I understand that when I am sitting on Delta's porch chatting, Delta is the boss and can regulate my speech... if I don't like it - I can leave. I would love to find a TRUELY OBJECTIVE forum!!

I am new here... is this one?

[gt_repair]

you will not get deletes on this fourm, another good forum is "glasscentral.com. Billy is open to all also....

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